Novidez's Journey - From non-Wai to Wai

[Novidez]

Saturday, April 9, 2016

Weight: 72.1 Kg (+0.4 Kg)

12:00 Wake Up
20:00-22:30 2L OJ + 3 tsp. OO
22:30-23:30 125g Raw Salmon, 9 Egg Yolks, 10 Hazelnuts, 10 Almonds
0:00-1:30 2L OJ
1:45 Bowel Movement
2:00 Lay Down on bed
2:30 3 Egg Yolks, 1 tsp. Sugar + 1 tsp. OO - I really felt like to have some food, specially fat. It seemed like I was craving OO actually.
3:00,4?,5? - 10? - 14:00 Sleeping

Energy: 2975.68 kcal
Protein: 89.06 g
Carbs: 424.01 g
Fat: 107.75 g


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Sunday, April 10, 2016

Weight: 71.5 Kg (-0.7 Kg)

14:00 Wake Up
18:00-23:30 3.5 L OJ + 4 tsp. OO*,125g Raw Salmon, 5 Egg Yolks, 25 Hazelnuts, 10 Almonds
1:00 4 Egg Yolks, 0.5 L OJ
1:30 Bedtime
2,3,4,5? - 12:30 Sleeping

Energy: 2959.38 kcal
Protein: 83.55 g
Carbs: 422.02 g
Fat: 109.35 g

*I'm drinking OJ whenever I feel like, I can't really specify the quantity nor the order of it. But I can say that I normally drink 2L OJ before eating the salmon.

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- Yep, insomnia is still screwing me up.. (have to mention that is also one of the withdraw symptoms). Not sure if the amount of protein is also influencing it, however in the past weeks I was always eating the same. So, I dunno... I just have to be patient.

[Novidez]

Just for curiosity, I tried out and check what https://www.supertracker.usda.gov/ would say about my nutrient intake.

I found this:



18:2, linoleic, undifferentiated...............12.13997g
18:3, linolenic, undifferentiated...............1.29929g

Since it is always a good opportunity to learn, it seems that, according to USDA, I am missing some Linoleic Acid and also some α-Linolenic Acid.

Funny enough, according to the Nutrient Reference Values for Australia and New Zealand, https://www.nrv.gov.au/nutrients/fats-t ... atty-acids - "LA - 13 g/day ; ALA - 1.3 g/day" - it seems that I did quite ok this day.

However, according to the ISSFAL, http://www.issfal.org/news-links/resour ... Report.pdf, - "linoleic acid (LA) intake : 2 energy % ; α-linolenic acid (ALA): 0.7 energy %" - I did well on the intake of the LA, but I miss 0.3% on the ALA.

In conclusion... I don't conclude anything at all. Could you give me, if possible, a little insight about this?

{Novidez, it depends on which country and year you live in. Have you consider building a time machine and owning an airplane to ensure you meet different RDAs?}

Ok, I've decided: let's build a time machine!

[Kasper]

If you consume fish and egg yolks you should have all the omega-6 and omega-3 that you need. I would surely not worry about that.

[Novidez]

If you consume fish and egg yolks you should have all the omega-6 and omega-3 that you need. I would surely not worry about that.

But even in the Wai Calculator I have that value (which seems to be little low according to these)... Unless it isn't really possible to measure the amount of omega-6 that accurately.

[Kasper]

But those reference values, those are based on averages right? They not say, that if you have less than this, then you will have omega-6 deficit symptoms ... If they say that, I want to see the science, because I reeeeeeally doubt it.

[Novidez]

Today I went to my physician, or whatever I should call her since she uses that Therapy Quantum Machine to have some information about our bodies (even tho, as panacea said, you should never trust anything with 'Quantum' on it). Nevertheless, he is all into biochemestry and nutrition that is her main are. As I said before, she is quite knowledgeable (or at least it seems for me) and checked how my metabolism was. To be honest, I was also kinda curious to see the results since she actually doesn't know what I am eating right now.

Well, it seems that I have these problems at the moment:

- My liver, bowels and left lung were kinda intoxicated/inflamed
- My lower back seems to have some problems and she mentioned that it could be or not, lack of calcium
- My levels of adrenalin and noreadrenaline were very high as well my cortisol levels. My adrenal glands weren't functioning properly.
- And last, this shocked me actually, my insulin levels are too high either.

I mentioned about Prozac and she said that if I was on equilibrium I could cope with that easily.

So, what she advised me to take was:

- http://www.nutergia.co.uk/dietary-suppl ... myl_BQ.php - it seems that she want me to take some fiber...
- http://www.nutergia.co.uk/dietary-suppl ... pur_BQ.php - I guess this is related to my adrenaline levels...
- http://www.nutergia.co.uk/dietary-suppl ... ine_BQ.php - For my liver, I suppose...
- And Vitaminor - C-VITAMINO Complex (this is one I wasn't really expecting since I'm pretty sure that I am taking enough Vitamin C...) - http://i.imgur.com/bROy3je.png (I tried to translate it)

I don't what to say... I mean, I kinda feel frustrated to not know how to disprove her. She is a person that often goes to a lot of conferences and she is always up to to date on scientific studies. I just don't have argue for her... I know how are her principles:
- Less food, the best, hence, more fiber - the better
- Less fructose as possible to our organism
(and I think it's pretty much it. The classic after all)

I really don't like this feeling of being insecure once again... When I left the consult, I was like: "Damn, I don't want to give up on the Wai Diet already. I'm enjoying and learning so much that it is impossible for me to give up." I want to find out if I really have some problems in my organism, I want to solve them. But, come on, with supplements...?

I am supposed to take these in one month. After that, I will go check her again. She said that after that one month, with these supplements, I have to be ok for sure. If I continued the diet and after this month everything seemed to be ok, then the diet it's not the reason. If not, well, she will blame what I am eating, of course.

Could you help me please? I know that I gain weight to fast and ingested tons of sugar during this month... Could be it the reason of my little inflamation on my hepatic system? Or the general reason for everything?
Seriously, I wish I had more knowledge about this overall...

[Kasper]

Did you have those problems already, or are they new?

[Kasper]

Okay, Novidez, I see you are a bit stressed,

But let's keep things clear, this is not the end of the world, right?

Imagine you are 80, and looking back at your life, would this really matter? This moment? You have some higher adrenaline levels, you have some inflammation at some places. Well, I have had high adrenaline levels, I have inflammation problems, for a loooooooong time, and see, I'm still alive, and doing very well.

So I heard from Aytundra, you have problems with your parents etc. I know this can be problematic. They are not convinced about this diet, maybe you are not yourself. But what would you eat, if you would eat normally? Would you throw away everything you learned here?

You could maybe say to your parents, look, I don't want to be the rest of my life on prozac, I want to search for natural solutions. Let me try this.

Try for example, 4 weeks, OJ + fruit + egg yolk + sashimi.
Then try 4 weeks, white rice/potatoes + boiled vegetables + vegetables cooked in cocunut oil + raw egg yolk + sashimi.

The later being pretty "normal". The first being wai. But see, the difference is, getting your carbs from fruit, or from starch. And getting your mineral/vitamins, from fruit or from vegetables.

Then you have an experiment, you show your parents, you want to try out both sides of the medal, and it would be interesting for us as well. What do you think?

[Novidez]

Did you have those problems already, or are they new?

Well, the main reason I went there was to treat my OCD. Working on the brain and neurons was our main goal.
About my metabolism, she hadn't any specific information before. However, during my 'treatment', she always prescribed me probiotcs and things like that. Also, having high cortisol levels was also common too, because she usually mentioned it several times. So I can say that this wasn't new after all. Unfortunately, only yesterday I asked her to show me the results more accurately and explain them to me. So I don't know whether it was equal or worst than before. I have to say that since she knows I am consuming sugar, her severity telling me this information was completely different from before of course. When I told her that I drink more than 2L of OJ was like a rock falling on her head (can't imagine if I said to her that I drink 4 liters, actually).
When I say that I fast, firstly she said that is not necessary to do it everyday. I told her that I normallly have a eating window of 4-8 hours and in that time I ingest several meals. She argued with me about this, that the less we eat, the better. But, I do IF... (This is said on the waiworld)"The 3 big meals a day philosophy is abandoned, and replaced with several smaller meals.", I said something like this and she disproved me that in her last conference it was said the less the best. Then again, I fast... Unless she was talking about eating more complex food (harder to digest - fiber I suppose) in less hours from the eating window I mentioned. But, my guess is that eating fiber will make my digestive process a lot slower, hence, the time of eating would probably be the same (I don't know if this functions that straight).
She seems to be not be really into on the Autophagy process (but I can be wrong).

An issue I am thinking right now is since IF put me on a fight-or-flight response, maybe my levels of adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol are easily explained because of that. Maybe my body doesn't do well doing IF...

[RRM]

Today I went to my physician, or whatever I should call her since she uses that Therapy Quantum Machine to have some information about our bodies (even tho, as panacea said, you should never trust anything with 'Quantum' on it).

Well, i fully agree with panacea about this.
If you take medical advice from someone who uses a "Therapy Quantum Machine", there are hundreds of different (often diametrically opposed) 'treatments' available. The army of quacks is vast.
Go to 3 different ones, and i guarantee you will end up 100% confused.

[Novidez]

Okay, Novidez, I see you are a bit stressed,

But let's keep things clear, this is not the end of the world, right?

Imagine you are 80, and looking back at your life, would this really matter? This moment? You have some higher adrenaline levels, you have some inflammation at some places. Well, I have had high adrenaline levels, I have inflammation problems, for a loooooooong time, and see, I'm still alive, and doing very well.

Yes, I was/am a bit stressed indeed ...
Well, it's not. Also it's kinda funny because I am beating myself up with this when in the past I usually ate tons of candies, pastries, mcdonalds and drink alcohol. And now, knowing that I can be slightly unhealthy makes me feel like this ahah

So I heard from Aytundra, you have problems with your parents etc. I know this can be problematic. They are not convinced about this diet, maybe you are not yourself. But what would you eat, if you would eat normally? Would you throw away everything you learned here?
You could maybe say to your parents, look, I don't want to be the rest of my life on prozac, I want to search for natural solutions. Let me try this.

The 'problem' is, in their perspective, the person who made me remove Prozac was her. I was in that vicious cycle of going to a psychiatrist and, when I went to her, I became better and made me all the way here. Yes, I can tell that I felt better, but I always still had the problem of concentration, constipation and sleeping. This is too soon to conclude, but today I had an exam and I felt really great doing it. I was very relaxed and could keep up with the time. Ok, it wasn't perfect, but I liked the way I felt (even though I am not sleeping well the last few days).

Try for example, 4 weeks, OJ + fruit + egg yolk + sashimi.
Then try 4 weeks, white rice/potatoes + boiled vegetables + vegetables cooked in cocunut oil + raw egg yolk + sashimi.

The later being pretty "normal".
Then you have an experiment, you show your parents, you want to try out both sides of the medal, and it would be interesting for us as well. What do you think

"The later being pretty "normal". The first being wai.", Hey, come on, even though I am here only for one month, I can distinguish between them right now
It's sounds indeed like a good experiment, but the reason I became so stressed and sad when I heard her feedback would be the same feeling that I would feel if I started that experiment: I don't want to live this wai of life. Maybe I'm too addicted to it . I don't know how to express it. I seem like a baby that can't leave his toy and would start to cry if someone took it out from him ahah. I'm really enjoying being here and doing this diet.

But see, the difference is, getting your carbs from fruit, or from starch. And getting your mineral/vitamins, from fruit or from vegetables.
By the way, I think what can help, is saying that most people eat 200-400 gram of sugar, but in the form of starch from grains or potatoes. Starch ends up as glucose in the blood, which is the same sugar as in grapes. But fruits, especially oranges, have a much better mineral balance (mangesium/potassium), more b-vitamins, and plenty of studies show the beneficial effects of fruits to the human body.

(I wanted to answer on the other thread, but now that you mentioned it again, whatever.)
Well, but starch is a polysaccharide consisting on glucose only. So, it hasn't the evil, terrific fructose (lol), aka insulin resistance and obesity, elevated blood pressure, elevated triglycerides and elevated LDL, depletion of vitamins and minerals, cardiovascular disease, liver disease, cancer, arthritis, and even gout.
However, I'm pretty sure all these problems are due to the excess of fructose and since on the Wai Diet we aim for the optimal this shouldn't be an issue.
I have also read that starch triggers much more insulin than fructose because fructose is immediately used by the liver to refill the glycogen depots (but dunno whether this is true or not).

Well, i fully agree with panacea about this.
If you take medical advice from someone who uses a "Therapy Quantum Machine", there are hundreds of different (often diametrically opposed) 'treatments' available. The army of quacks is vast.
Go to 3 different ones, and i guarantee you will end up 100% confused.

I know that. Actually I said to her that I wanted to do some blood tests and she said to me that wouldn't make sense right now because my organism is not function optimally. Maybe I should ignore her and do them anyway lol.

But RRM, seriously, and Kasper, and everyone who understands more than me (which is probably everyone here in the forum), how can I build some critical view, specially about this controversial thing of fructose?
I mean when I read something like this:
- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3158875/
or this
- http://sweetlift.com.br/wp-content/uplo ... ift-11.pdf

The only thing that I barely understand are the Abstract and the Conclusion :')
From the first study, when I read in the end

"Nevertheless, at present there are no objective grounds to support that moderate intake of fructose or of fructose consumed with fruits or honey is unsafe. More extensive clinical and experimental studies are needed to provide new evidence on the health risk of fructose-based sweeteners". So...

On the second one

"In conclusion, fructose has increasingly been used
as a sweetener since the introduction of high-fructose
corn syrups in the 1960s and is now an abundant source
of dietary carbohydrate in the United States[47-50]. The
most commonly used HFCS in soft drinks and other
carbohydrate-sweetened beverages is a blend composed
of 55% fructose, 41% glucose, and 4% complex polysaccharides[51-55].
This increased consumption has been
linked to the increased prevalence of obesity and type
2 diabetes and fatty liver in the United States by increased
fructose supply, which provokes a hepatic stress
response involving activation of JNK and subsequent
reduced hepatic insulin signaling[56-59]. Understanding
the underlying causes of NAFLD forms the basis for
rational preventive and treatment strategies of this major
form of chronic liver disease. "

For example, about this one, what should I conclude?
Seriously, I want to develop some knowledge. Ok, I have to research, but that's what I have been doing since I arrive here. And the more I read, the less I understand. Are there studies that prove sugar, and specifically fructose, if eaten with the right doses isn't harmful?

And about fiber too?, for example:

http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/13/4161.pdf

"Whilst it is not the intention of the authors to totally
discourage fiber in the diet and the use of fiber supplements,
there does not seem to be much use for fiber in colorectal
diseases. We, however, want to emphasize that what we
have all been made to believe about fiber needs a second
look. We often choose to believe a lie, as a lie repeated
often enough by enough people becomes accepted as the
truth. We urge clinicians to keep an open mind. While
there are some benefits of a diet high in natural fiber, one
must know the exact indications before recommending
such a diet. Myths about fiber must be debunked and truth
installed."

How can I have the 'power'/knowledge to know if these studies make any sense?

P.S.: btw RRM, I noticed that on the Waiworld, all the studies are mostly from 90s. Are they really still up to date? I'm asking you this, because, as you can imagine, I said to her to read the diet (she probably won't). Nevertheless, she always speaks from recent studies. I can almost see her face if she reads the year of those studies on the site (which doesn't mean that they are not valid, of course!).

[Kasper]

I think Chris Kresser has a more nuanced and correct view of fructose:

Is fructose uniquely fattening?
Dr. Lustig argues that, when compared to glucose, fructose is uniquely fattening. He claims that fructose is the most efficient substrate for de novo lipogenesis (DNL), which is the process by which the liver converts carbohydrates to fat.

However, Dr. Lustig relies on animal evidence that doesn’t apply to humans. There’s a big difference between mouse carbohydrate metabolism and human carbohydrate metabolism. When mice are on a high-carbohydrate diet that doesn’t provide excess calories, it’s common to see DNL rates of 50 percent and up. In other words, they are efficient at converting carbohydrates into fat, even when they’re not overeating. (1)

But in humans on an isocaloric diet (without excess calories), de novo lipogenesis falls into the range of 10 to 20 percent. The conversion of carbohydrate is less efficient in humans than it is in mice.

The research in this area is robust and uncontroversial. Nearly 50 controlled feeding studies have been performed on various aspects of cardiometabolic control. Most investigators working in this field believe that DNL in humans is negligible in response to fructose, and doesn’t comprise a significant source of dietary calories.

There’s another problem with extrapolating the animal evidence to humans in this case. The mice in the studies Lustig cites are eating huge amounts of fructose: up to 60 percent of total calories. You’d have to drink more than four 44 ounce Super Big Gulps a day to get that much fructose. Ain’t gonna happen.

According to researcher Dr. Sievenpiper in an interview with science writer David Despain at Evolving Health, the 50th percentile intake for people in the U.S. is 49 grams per day, which works out to 10 percent of total calories. Even the 95th percentile intake of 87 grams per day doesn’t exceed 20 percent of calories. That’s a lot of fructose, but it’s nowhere near the 60 percent of calories fed to mice.

https://chriskresser.com/ask-chris-is-f ... -that-bad/

[Novidez]

Monday, April 11, 2016

Weight: 71.9 Kg (+0.4 Kg)

12:30 Wake Up
13:00 First Bowel Movement
17:30-20:30 2.5 L OJ + 4 tsp. OO, 15 Hazelnuts, 30 Almonds
20:30 125g Raw Salmon, 5 Egg Yolks
22:30 1.5 L OJ
23:20 Second Bowel Movement - solid but dropped like raining on the toilet.
0:00 6 Egg Yolks, 2 tsp Sugar, 2 tsp. OO
0:30, 1, 2, 3 Bedtime
4?-8h30 (alarm) - 9h30 Sleeping

Energy: 3120.21 kcal
Protein: 89.31 g
Carbs: 431.39 g
Fat: 121.98 g

- I tend to experiencing some palpitations after starting drinking my OJ. Since I reduced the Sugar and the OO, they are less though. And if I space well enough my meals, I usually don't have them, or only few.


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Tuesday, April 12, 2016

Weight: 71.7 Kg (-0.2 Kg)

9h30 Wake Up
21:00-1:00 3 Pear, 4 Tomatoes (small), 5 Kiwifruit, 2 Bananas (small), 1.5 L OJ + 2 tsp. OO, 2 Apples, 1 Banana + 2 tsp. OO, 10 Almonds, 15 Hazelnuts, 4 Bananas (small) + 2 tsp. OO
1:30 125g Raw Salmon
2:30 1 Banana (small), 1 tsp. OO, 3 Egg Yolks
2:45-8h30 (alarm) - 9h30 Sleeping *

Energy: 2834 kcal
Protein: 68.1 g
Carbs: 535 g
Fat: 68 g


* Ok, there was something interesting on this day, because since I started eating pretty late, I had to improvise with eating fruits. Also, I planned to eat the salmon at last to not bother with the digestion of fiber and sugar afterwards. Interesting enough, I fell asleep really quickly.

So, I don't know if:

- it was because of the amount of bananas I ingested since they induce sleeping?
- not eating/drinking anything after the salmon helped instead?
- I don't do well drinking OJ before sleeping?
- it was because I eat less protein?
- the fiber made me feel sleepy since it robs me all the energy?

I'm curious now and I want to find out the reason. Any ideas?

[Aytundra]

I had an exam and I felt really great doing it.

The "exam" is your confounding variable.
Did you sleep earlier because of the food order, eating proteins after fruit?
OR
Did you sleep earlier because you knew you need a good night's sleep prior to your exam?

[Novidez]

The "exam" is your confounding variable.

Let's see how well I'll do on the others. I didn't have to study a lot for this exam because it's a Language, but maybe on the next ones, if I not study, I probably won't feel as good as this one ahah. And since I am kinda 'lost' about knowing what's the best for my health atm, it's not helping me focusing on studying :S

Did you sleep earlier because of the food order, eating proteins after fruit?
OR
Did you sleep earlier because you knew you need a good night's sleep prior to your exam?

Well, every time I go to bed I always want to fall asleep as soon as possible. As I said, I wasn't worry about the exam at all. The only thing I could be worried would be about the event in the afternoon. This is, when I lied down on bed, I felt the tiredness coming and had this urge to close my eyes and fall asleep (and that's what happened.). Even though I always overthink when I am trying to sleep, yesterday, closing my eyes immediately slowed down my thinking process and made me fall asleep in minutes.