Reaching CP 60 24/7

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Re: 7 weeks to reach CP 60 24/7

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I just wrote a script that emulates https://idonethis.com/ , it may be useful for those using Linux :)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15548989/idonethis

Instead of emails it will show dialogs though. It stores all entries you add in ~/.idonethis
Besides writing down what you have done, it could be also used to write goals for tomorrow when it pops up in the evening, and then you get a reminder in the morning about them.

To automate it every day you can add it in a cron job, e.g., execute in the terminal "crontab -e" and then add these lines at the end

0 * * * * env DISPLAY=:0 PATH_TO_SCRIPT/idonethis -n
0 * * * * env DISPLAY=:0 PATH_TO_SCRIPT/idonethis -p

The script will be executed every hour, it manages by itself whether it should show some popup or not. Adapt these variables in the script if you want to change at what hour to get notifications:

morning review of previous entry: PREVDAY_HOUR="10"
evening notification to review the day: NEWENTRY_HOUR="20"
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Re: 7 weeks to reach CP 60 24/7

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Ok today 7:52 for the 2km, but I took 3 minutes break at 1km. I think I have some fitness it just takes some time to adapt to a different exercise, get a feeling of your limits, etc.

I'm thinking to buy these shoes for running, anyone maybe tried them or can recommend other ones? http://www.toesalad.com/reviews/sole-runner-fx-trainer
Edit: actually no, it seems they are pretty wide, my feet are long and thin.

That iDoneThis concept is really good! Feels good to write down and review all that you've done during the day in the evening, I just did now and seing a pretty long list in the end really boosts motivation and that feeling "damn I actually did a lot of good stuff!" :D It's good to go to sleep with such a feeling :D Throughout the day you do one thing at a time, so you don't feel like you're doing that much at any point.
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Re: 7 weeks to reach CP 60 24/7

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Guys, do you agree if we change the title to "Reaching CP 60 24/7"? Irrelevant of how long it takes.
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Re: 7 weeks to reach CP 60 24/7

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Agree :)

I'm going to try this iDoneThis this weekend.
Sounds good. And it seems to be in line with the get the edge program I'm following.

I've got the idea that I'm getting from ADD --> ADHD the last week.
I don't know if this is an improvement per se.
But I'm full of energy from morning till late evening this week.
So that is quite good. But still really chaotic.
Even to chaotic to put some good post down.
I'll do tomorrow. Some quite exciting changes are going on in my body!
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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Ok, changed the title :)
I'm curious about those exciting changes btw!
I'm also slowly starting to feel changes to the better regarding allergy especially, high energy throughout the day, and general motivation to just do whatever stuff i.e. I'm not lazy for anything. Maybe it's just some temporary excitement, I got seriously motivated by the higher CP :) let's see if it sticks for longer.

Got the 2km in 7:18 today (again 3 minute pause at 1km). Still mostly nose breathing.

I think I'll slow down the next days and forget about the stopwatch, because my legs are on fire now.
The first time (8:50) it was only above the knee on the inside of the legs
Second day (7:52) above the knee but now also on the front (upper quadriceps I guess)
Today (7:18) the calves hurt too.

But I'm loving it, muscle pain is good; what I don't like is joint pain and luckily there's none so far. Perhaps because I'm doing only 2km.
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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2km straight in 8:00 today. CP 30 after dinner, this is huge progress for me, it used to be like 15 after a meal.

50km (= 2 hours) bike ride is on the agenda for tomorrow, I have to make some good use of the sunny weather announced by the forecast :)
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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2km straight in 8:00 today. CP 30 after dinner, this is huge progress for me, it used to be like 15 after a meal.

50km (= 2 hours) bike ride is on the agenda for tomorrow, I have to make some good use of the sunny weather announced by the forecast :)
Awesome!
Your progress seems to be quite linear.
That is a really good thing man !
Motivates me to get back in action. :)
My CP dropped a lot this week... My CP is now 26 s. So you're owning me... :roll:

About the changes I'm feeling:
First there were some bad changes:
I find it very very hard to maintain CP during the day at university.
Spending most time there, doing math, sporting, hanging around with people.
I'm really enjoying it. But my healthy environment I created at home kind of changed.

No earting, a massive amount of wifi/mobile radiation shit, no negative ionizer, no cold showers etc.
The only way I can maintain my CP is by doing hours of reduced breathing with pranayama app. (while studying etc.)
First week I did this, and worked OK. CP remains at least above 35 s.

Than my phone crashed, no pranayama app, and no way I'm able to maintain CP over there....
Which is really frustrating the shit out of me...!
Feels like it is almost impossible to combine buteyko goals with study goals.
Maybe if I would go home immediately, it is more easy, but I really enjoy having some more social interaction.

I think it is some kind of detox, from taking those probiotics etc., my body constantly trying to clear up pathogens and other shit that is still in my body.
When I'm doing all those crazy stuff, like taking 3 cold showers a day, than my body is able to flush out all the toxicity.
But otherwise, CP drops to 20-30 s.

Besides that, it's not only the CP drop that is bothering me.
But also, 20-30s isn't supposed to feel that bad, but I really have a lack of metal energy with such CPs.

Okay, but now comes the GOOD PART.
I was listening to what Tony Robbins has to tell about diet etc.
And he is a big fan of the alkaline/acid theory.
I don't know much about this, but I kind of like the way he was presenting it.

He said something like:
"You know, there are a LOT of different opinions about health. And the opinions change every 5 year.
The reason I believe in this theory, is because I changed my diet, made it much more alkaline, and now my energy exploded.
I did a blood test before I went on this alkaline diet, and it showed candida and other imbalances, after I did a alkaline cleanse of 30 days, it was perfect.
Take this 10 day challenge, do this diet for 100% for 10 days, if you don't notice a huge increase of energy, throw it away.
If you feel like you doubled your energy, try it another 20 days, and you will never go back to a normal diet. "

Tony Robbins diet used to eat only fruit until noon and after that a vegetarian diet.
Blaming his candida to eating sugar without alkalizing enough.

Besides this, the best part I liked:
According to him, when you're body is really alkalized, it will detox without toxicity symptoms.
Which is something I really really really would like to have.

I also read what Natasha Campbell Mcbride has to say about alkalinity. And she also believes in it.
I'm supposed to do a lot of raw fresh carrot/beet juice in the morning, and if you don't she recommends apple cider vinegar.
I somewhat ignored this advice, as I don't have a blender or juicer, and I just take some fruits in the morning.

Well, this was maybe a really dumb idea, and I was thinking like:
maybe..... I don't have to do all those cold showers, earthing 24 hours daily, negative ionizer, etc. etc. If I just alkalize more.
If that would solve my detox problems, that would be perfect.

Well, so I tried it since Wednesday.
First I was drinking apple cider vinegar diluted with water during the day.
Did 2 shots of wheat grass in the afternoon. (I know really un-wai, but this is supposed to be really alkaline).
And around dinner time, I was noticing some strange energy going to my body.
I checked my CP, and it was only 28s. Which seemed really strange to me, as I never ever feel so much energy with such a CP.
Checked it again, and 27s.
But, in some sense it maked sense, I felt kind of ADHD like. Some sort of playfull energy, young kids usually have.

Well, I bought some wheat grass powder today. And I'm drinking this now. And it really works like magic for detoxing.
Everytime I was thinking I needed a cold shower, I know do this wheat grass drink. And the detox clearly disappear.
Not only in my head, but also by just looking at my face. Detox means --> red eye, white face, water retention etc.
This all disappears.

I'm sure there are more wai like things to get more alkaline, and if you eat 90% fruits 10% animal products, i guess wai diet is already quite alkaline.
But if trying to restore gut flora with gaps protocol, you limit your fruits beacuse of sugars,
and if you have much die-off symptoms, it seems to be really really important to eat low sugar alkalizing food.

As I said, I don't know much about this theory, what I read it seems to quite controversial, but you could also see it as, having a good plant/meat ratio.
The more you are detoxing, the more you need the cleansing plant foods.
On the other hand, you need to limit sugar and animal food when restoring gut flora.
So, that's why gaps protocol include drinking a lot of fresh raw vegetable juice in the morning.

Okay, many are going to disagree here, I know, but I'm not trying to convince you to believe in this theory, because I don't know the theory myself!
I'm just saying the things I'm noticing. And feeling this energy with such low CP is really feeling like a miracle (20-30s).

My phone is working again, and I'm planning get back to my buteyko regime tomorrow.
I really want to know how it feels to have 40 CP with this new diet (gaps + wheat grass juice during the day).

Okay, again, I'm not saying that this wheat grass powder is the new heaven.
It works now for me, but according to the theory, eating lots of raw low sugar fruits/veggies would have the same effect.
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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Ah that sucks, but you can still work it out even if you're getting active with university etc.
You just need to think a bit about it, how to optimize the new situation.
Think about it as a longer term investment: staying home isolated in your "healthy" environment all day long is obviously not sustainable so you definitely need a better strategy anyway, irrelevant of the fact that you have to go to the university now.
But I know very well it's much harder to have enough energy and focus to do breathing exercises, running, and all in addition to studying.

The only advice I can give is to try to not lose the momentum you have, the high CPs you have achieved.
It has happened to me so many times, I get to some significant CP number and then something happens, I don't have time for a week/two and I'm back to the beginning.
But this time I'm determined to not let this happen no matter what.
It's much harder to start from the beginning again, then to just keep going with the momentum you have.
Think of a car, it takes a lot more fuel to get it moving, but if you're on the highway much less energy is needed to keep it moving at a much higher speed.
It's same with the CP, it takes much less effort to keep you at the level where you are, than to get you up to a higher level.
And even if you do all the crazy stuff like breathing exercises all day long, running 50km a day and what not, once you slow down the CP will eventually go back and match to your current level of dedication.
So it's better to do things that you think you'll be able to do every day to the rest of your life, than go crazy and think that once you reach that high CP it will magically stay high and you'll be healthy and supermen and live hapily ever after :)

I'm all day long at the university and probably worse than you, mostly sitting in a room packed with computers, cables, wifi all over the place and what not!
But going to the uni works quite positively on me.. meeting and interacting with people especially, it's an important part of your well-being, you can't just focus on CP and physical condition in your life.
The only thing I'm avoiding for now is the really crazy parties (going on and on until sunrise..), they are always messing me up for the next few days.

Cheers to that wheat grass drink :) I can't believe you can actually drink it because I've heard it tastes absolutely horrible.
I tried once barley powder I think which is supposed to be milder than wheat grass, and that was terrible, so I can't imagine the taste of wheat grass.
I don't know much about this alkaline-acid stuff though, and it doesn't seem like a particularly sound theory to me.
Especially that a glass of some vegetable juice immediately makes you feel like supermen (for some short time?) sounds very fishy.
I mean I don't doubt when you say that it affects you positively when you drink it.
But in my experience the things that help in a balanced way, and have a long-lasting effect are much more worth investing into.

Btw, what you're doing wrong, in my opinion, is the diet. You're doing some sort of ketogenic diet.
Which is reaaaally hard to get right, you really have to restrict carbs to like 30-50g a day and constantly stay that low.
Otherwise, you're restricting carbs, but not completely, so you're always in lack of good energy = glucose on a normal diet, or ketones in case of ketogenic diet, i.e. you're doing neither properly.
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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Continuing viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3112&start=90#p34437 , I did some more thinking while biking and sipping from my full of sugar water today :)

I've noticed a teaspoon of honey, or sip from water loaded with dextrose for example will usually increase CP (as well as energy levels) quite a bit, and this is very noticeable because it's pure glucose/fructose that is digested within a minute when you're hungry.
So you could say that CP depends on appropriate energy levels, not the other way around as you folks like to think, that high CP makes you energetic. A couple of examples in support of this:

1. cold shower will cause adrenalin release, which has a chain reaction on releasing a lot of energy for immediate use, and consequently you get high CP
2. shorter sleep increases cortisol levels, which similarly to adrenalin boosts glucose in the blood, giving you a high MCP in the morning.
3. exercise increases glycogen storage, insulin sensitivity and a bunch of other metabolic improvements, so you're better equipped with enough energy throughout the day for doing normal daily tasks, i.e. energy levels don't drop so easily (provided you're eating properly) and CP stays fairly constant

I'm sure we could think of more examples..
How enough glucose increases CP? My guess is that it's the metabolically cheapest way to generate energy, and lack of glucose will make the body resort to compromises that result in more CO2. Just guessing this for now.

I don't want to rush to conclusions because I may well be wrong, but at least I have a reasonable explanation for being against cold showers and reduced sleep ;)
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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I think it is not being about neither High CP -> Energy nor High Energy -> High CP. I think it works both ways and it is actually the same. It's too simplistic if you look at it that way.

I think what really matters in the whole CP and energy thing, is that it's about inflammation. Chronic focal inflammations drain a lot of energy, creating alot of stress and mess for your body to clean up. This prevents the oxygen getting prioritzed for energy management and therefore depletes you of energy. If there are no unnecessary inflammations your body is always high in energy and if there is an excess of certain pathogens your body can solve it within a brief moment and return back to its energy state. It's alot about preventing new forming inflammations basically. This is why buteyko has a lot of markers: no swelling; no neccesity for whiping the ass, because there is no soiling even if you have diarrhea; no strange sounds and excessive gas in your tummy; no headaches; no constipation; no muscle tension (probably also induced by local swellings that constrict vessels); and the list goes on.

Therefore I am trying to be a non inflammatory machine. I am trying to get rid of my dandruff, gut problems, athlete's feet; dead tonsils; sensitive teeth. And I'm not stopping until I solved all these issues. Now here is where my experimental nature kicks in. I will try everything till I find something that really works and really removes my infections. So to illustrate the athlete's fee for example: I did alot of treatments on it that all failed, some more effective than the other, but never effective enough. But after 5 different treatments I now think I finally found something that is REALLY going to get rid of it. It's a mix of the bentonite and zeolite clay with vaseline that I apply after the AF24 spray (strong natural acids), I let it cover the skin of my feet and try to keep my oxygen levels high, this way the fungus can't go to the outside of my feet, because it will get captured in the bentonite/zeolite vaseline mixture where it can't get out of because it disrupts all its functions due to the strong electroabsorbing forces in it. But it also can't go deeper into my foot because my own immune system will defeat it. Therefore it is just a matter of a few days before it will be totally gone. I also use probiotic shoe powder to prevent the reinfecting myself. I am now on day 1.5 and am getting really good results.
But if it doesn't work I may use another treatment or repeat one of the previous ones. Or a combination with one of the previous treatments. And I will not stop one day to not treat my feet, because then it might grow back. I will not quit until it is killed.

Now I am starting to notice, after MONTHS on being at 35 CP consistently I am finally having my sleep normalized. I wake up after 9 hours of sleep naturally and have no trouble getting up with an alarm clock after 6-8 hours. I have made this my standard at the moment and now the goal is to get at 6 consistently.

Now I have never been really critical at the wai diet. And now I'm really trying to come up with all kinds of things to find its faults. And one of the most important ones is the kind of protein and the protein quality theory. And hear me out on this one:
We, as a western society, eat a lot of muscle meats. Now this is a very unnatural thing to do. Through our human evolution we have been eating the whole animal, rather than parts of it only, such as muscle meats. This is something indigenous people will never do. They will eat organ meats first, rather than the muscle. Muscle meat eating is even considered pretty weird in a lot of african cultures if I am not mistaken to read somewhere. Why is this so?
One argument could be the rich nutrient content in the form of B vitamins and vitamins A and D for example. But, as RRM points out many times, we are way to focused on getting enough nutrients and our bodies will balance it and we need not be so scared that we won't get enough. Overconsuming on certain vitamins can even have adverse effects. There needs to be a minimum alright, but in natural whole food diets it's pretty hard to really get deficient.
Therefore, I don't think they eat it for its vitamins per se. But what if the amino acids and proteins in the other meats could have effects on their body. It is a well established fact that amino acids certainly have effects on receptors and therefore influence our body that way. So consuming only the muscle meats could result in a totally different hormonal effect than consuming the whole animal. In fact, tryptophan and cysteine have very inflammatory and stress related mechanisms and glycine, for example, has a very protecting anti stress function that soothes our behavior and physiolagy.
Think of it: muscles are build up fast and catabolized pretty fast, therefore a lot of inflammation and stress gets involved. And therefore a lot of inflammation also. Consuming bone marrow or brains result in more lasting longevity related amino acids and proteins.

What can we do to easily correct our intake if we are only to keep on consuming muscle meat? Taking with every large protein meal 10g of gelatine for example. Which has a large amount of glycine and practically no tryptophan and cysteine. So having a very anti inflammatory, sleep regulating and soothing effect on us. And less stress involved actions.
Of course, all amino acids are important for rebuilding purposes and we still need enough tryptophan. But we will still get enough for these purposes. It's only about the hormonal effects these amino acids have if there is a disbalance by consuming only the muscle meat.

A must read is ray peats article about gelatine. Also his article about swelling. Now keep an open mind.

A question that remains to be answered is: Is gelatine a raw food? Can we consume it in the wai diet? It's hydrolyzed so not necessarily heated? I don't know this maybe someone can elaborate.

I am btw experimenting with gelatine at the moment and the effects I have noticed so far is a lot less muscle tension and I don't tend to feel myself gravitated to my body, I have a very light but still energetic feeling. I am only doing it for 2 days and will report later on the other effects that might be coming.

My diet: Fruit juices (70% of juice consumption), Carrot juice, Beet juice, Raw salmon filet with 10g of gelatine afterwards, 2-3 egg yolks with melted ghee a day with 5g of gelatine added, 3 times a week raw parma ham orignal weight before drying 150g, 100-200 g of beef a week, 25-50 g of chocolate a day.

Now please don't give my the parasite talk about raw pork, I don't believe in a high enough risk of infection by the use of raw parma ham. And in fact think it's very nutritious as a pork is an omnivore just as us and therefore contains a lot more vitamins per weight than beef or yolks.
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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Ray Peats article about gelatin: the evolutionary reason he gives doesn't make so much sense, because, did our ancestors eat skin, bones, tendons, and similar things which are high in collagen? This stuff is extremely hard to digest raw exactly because of the collagen. And tough muscle meat which is good for slow cooking has plenty of collagen btw. The muscle meat you and Ray Peat talk about is probably the steaks which are very soft and thus low in collagen, and in my opinion that is not really muscle meat. Muscles which are really used like the legs for example are really tough and large percent of the protein is collagen.
I don't see anything wrong with eating gelatin though.. here's how it's made (wiki), it's quite some processing:
The manufacturing processes of gelatin consists of three main stages:

1. Pretreatments to make the raw materials ready for the main extraction step and to remove impurities which may have negative effects on physio chemical properties of the final gelatin product,
2. The main extraction step, which is usually done with hot water or dilute acid solutions as a multi-stage extraction to hydrolyze collagen into gelatin, and finally,
3. The refining and recovering treatments including filtration, clarification, evaporation, sterilization, drying, rutting, grinding, and sifting to remove the water from the gelatin solution, to blend the gelatin extracted, and to obtain dried, blended and ground final product.
Vitamins in organ meat: it's easy to overdose, especially should be careful of liver. But I agree that if you can it's good to eat organs every now and then. Just consider that the ratio of muscles vs organs in an animal is pretty high, i.e. eating organs all the time is not balanced either.

overkees, do you know what's your CP normally, when you don't practice Buteyko/good diet?
I very much agree about inflammation/infections, eliminating it should be a priority. I've also tried so many things to fix my allergy, but nothing has helped so far :( So I've kind of given up and hoping it will resolve eventually with good diet and activity. At least I haven't touched antihistamines since starting with wai, it used to be a lot worse.

Continuing my post viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3112&p=34560#p34552

3. (an extension): exercise will typically lead to elevated cortisol, so this could be an explanation on the CP increase that typically follows exercise.

As it seems to me, (short term) CP increase following immediately after some activity is due to elevated cortisol/adrenaline -> blood glucose?

So in conclusion, I'm not saying that CP is simply affected by the availability of energy alone, of course there are further factor like muscle tension, emotional stress, and who knows what else, but that typically that's how you get high CP immediately following something like a cold shower or running for 10km or sleeping for only 6 hours.

What else quite immediately gives you high CP, please comment so we can see if this theory holds any water.

Ultimately I'd like to find out what increases CP long-term, and stay away from these short-term solutions which are not so good at all (if my thoughts are correct..) Exercise is obviously very good, we just need to be smart and avoid overtraining and injuries.
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About your theory dime.
I see it like this.

Cold shower --> Adrenaline/Noadrenaline --> Inflammation clears up --> Prevents CP drop/Easier CP increase
Besides this, I notice that it is much easier to release muscle tension when I take a very good cold shower.
Sometimes a 15 min. cold shower can have as good or better effects than 15 min. yoga. Especially for my higher back.
I still prefer yoga, so I'm sure everything is aligned right. But the combination is absolutely wonderfull.

Besides that, cold shower is naturally way to get earthed.
Hot shower is earthing you as well of course. But for me, hot showers increase every inflammation I have.
All over my body I get red/warm/inflamed places.
So taking a hot shower only is something I'll never do.

In fact, during my highschool period, I get afraid for taking a shower.
I just noticed that I would like so much worse after it.
Not something most people have, I guess, most people look (and especially smell ;) better.
But for me, taking a shower would mean, water retention, red places all over the body, feeling tired etc.

But, back to your theory.
I don't see adrenaline as an quick CP increase. I think it's just a powerful way to clear up existing inflammation.
Maybe it's not the best way. But have you read the iceman study ?
They tested how the iceman reacted to candida antigens and how other individuals reacted.
Wim Hof (the iceman), had a remarkable increased ability clear up those antigens.

I think that as exercising as well as cold shower train your body in handling this inflammation.
What else quite immediately gives you high CP, please comment so we can see if this theory holds any water.
Positive thoughts, yoga...
I don't test CP that much to be sure. But I notice that my breathing can become super super slow.
Sometimes when doing yoga, I feel really like not any desire for breathing.

So you could say that CP depends on appropriate energy levels, not the other way around as you folks like to think, that high CP makes you energetic.
Ultimately I'd like to find out what increases CP long-term, and stay away from these short-term solutions which are not so good at all (if my thoughts are correct..)
I once read:
On a low fat (high glucose) diet you will feel more energetic because your energy supply is mainly based on glucose, which stimulates adrenaline secretion.
I think it's not the glucose that increase CP. But it is the anti-inflammation abilities of cortisol/adrenaline.
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The only advice I can give is to try to not lose the momentum you have, the high CPs you have achieved.
It has happened to me so many times, I get to some significant CP number and then something happens, I don't have time for a week/two and I'm back to the beginning.
But this time I'm determined to not let this happen no matter what.
You're absolutely right.
Momentum is key.
And I did loose it.

But I'm absolutely back again. And progress don't get really lost. It's easier to get back to the high numbers if you have been there.
I'm trying to keep myself at 35 CP at the moment. I must be realistic, and keeping myself above 40 s is too hard at university for this moment.
Beside that, I read on normalbreathing.com that fluctuating too much with CP could worsen my digestive tract.

I'm going to focus more on yoga, tony robbins techniques (incantations, handling negative emotions, mastering the art of fulfillment).
And I just do 1 hour of running each day. Or 2 hours of walking.
Especially that a glass of some vegetable juice immediately makes you feel like supermen (for some short time?) sounds very fishy.
I mean I don't doubt when you say that it affects you positively when you drink it.
But in my experience the things that help in a balanced way, and have a long-lasting effect are much more worth investing into.
Well, it actually does feel a little bit like that.
Superman may be an overstatement.

It reminds when I was going crazy for earthing.
The best way to get the benefits of earthing is taking a warm bath, full of (dead) sea salt, and make sure the water is somehow earthed to the ground.
I don't do this anymore, I now take cold baths/showers, and the sea salt is too expensive. But it feels totally refreshing, mentally and physically.

Wheat grass gives me kind of the same feeling as such a bath. I'm very happy there exist such a quick fix, than can give such benefits. I think it helps detoxing the body in similar ways.

I'm still looking for other (cheaper) solutions. But this wheat grass experiment has opened my eyes in new directions at least.
Btw, what you're doing wrong, in my opinion, is the diet. You're doing some sort of ketogenic diet.
Which is reaaaally hard to get right, you really have to restrict carbs to like 30-50g a day and constantly stay that low.
Otherwise, you're restricting carbs, but not completely, so you're always in lack of good energy = glucose on a normal diet, or ketones in case of ketogenic diet, i.e. you're doing neither properly.
Where can I read more about that ?
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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@dime

what type of honey are you / were you eating?
for example, was it from a big box store like Wal-Mart, or was it from online?
Did it say pure on the label, or organic? etc

I'm just curious because I've found heated honey to give me problems
while unheated honey doesn't.

also something for everyone to keep in mind,
young children who are pretty much healthy, as in they werent born premature and were nourished well enough and all that, can get 10-20 s CP at any point in the day maybe from breathing the wrong way after yelling/screaming a lot or panting etc, but in just 15 minutes or hours they can get all the way back to 60-90 s CP and maintain it. This is because their bodies have not accumulated years of toxins, or damage to their organs, internal scar tissue, etc, that their body has to repair. If they had all this to repair, they would also hit the 35-37 s CP wall every so often like most adults, especially during sleep (when we devote most energy to repairing).

If you ever wake up after 5+ hours of sleep with 50 s CP+, then you have probably broken this threshold and should be very enthusiastic to eat perfectly that day (or not eat at all but water fast) and try to maintain it and sleep 5-6 hours the next night only, because once you pass the 35-37 s CP wall (known as the 40 s CP wall), then crossing into the next 72 s CP wall is not nearly as hard. And once you are above 72 s CP for a long time, your body is pretty much as clean and pure as a childs and you will feel like one, which is the most valuable thing anybody could have in my opinion.

@kasper
buteyko himself once said that a healthy person could almost eat nails. what that means is that when you have a high cp you are much better at digesting roughage, like vegetables or other hard stuff without internal problems, or other exotic foods. everything you eat is CP relevant - example: heated, processed, and pollen-filtered honey may not cause dime any problems, but for me it does cause problems such as belching and intestinal spasms. again, all of this anecdotal "it works for ME" is useless. it says nothing about the optimal diet for people at other stages. finding the foods which are healthiest for everyone, not just someone with high CP during the day, is what people should be interested in, but I'm glad it works for you.
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Re: Reaching CP 60 24/7

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panacea, it's very high quality raw honey.

Kasper, just take any book about ketogenic dieting; I've been reading this one recently: http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Science-C ... 0983490708
Do you have some link about "Adrenaline/Noadrenaline --> Inflammation clears up"? I'll check wikipedia. Will think about the yoga as well.
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